Time to put those Gunz Up as Ethan sits down with his tag team partner and the other half of the Amerikan Gunz, Mike Santiago to talk about Defy Wrestling reaching it's four year milestone. We also touch on how and why the Pacific Northwest wrestling scene was a black hole for so long with stories about a ring that was 7ft off the ground, changing behind the meat counter at a Latin grocery store, and sleeping in an old brothel. Find Mike Santiago on Twitter at @OrderOfSantiago Find Ethan HD on Twitter at @REALEthanHD Special thanks to All In (DrinkAllIn.com) and Let's Wrestle Apparel (LetsWrestle.CA)